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Speak Out: Georgetown Campus Downtown?

Capitol Crossing, the future development over I-395, is courting Georgetown University to create a 'Georgetown East Campus.'

 

As Georgetown University looks for space to house expanding programs and to make up for aging buildings, developers of the future Capitol Crossing are hoping their new project could become "Georgetown East Campus," according to the Washington Post

Capitol Crossing will sit over the entrance to I-395 just south of Massachusetts Avenue in Northwest. The prime location was the source of consternation during recent redistricting efforts as Ward 2's Jack Evans pushed to have the site included in his ward and Ward 6 Council member Tommy Wells said it belonged in his. Evans won out.

Throughout the Georgetown University campus plan process, neighbors have expressed their growing frustration with the increasing impact of students in the community. Their demand has been for Georgetown to house all undergraduates on campus or to find housing outside the 20007 Zip code.

The University has consistently said that there is not enough room on campus to house all those students and that students have the right to live off campus. 

A satellite campus could free up space on the existing Georgetown property to ease the housing crush.

The Post reports:

Executives from developer Property Group Partners (formerly Louis Dreyfus Property Group) are in discussions with Georgetown University officials about locating multiple university facilities at the new project — including a possible relocation of Georgetown’s medical school from the university’s main campus.

In addition to the undergraduate and graduate liberal arts, business and foreign service programs, Georgetown's main campus is home to both a medical school and Georgetown University Hospital, which is operated by MedStar Health. The university is already in discussions with MedStar about upgrading the hospital facilities, though how that will happen is still not public.

At a meeting in 2011 about the Georgetown University campus plan, Regina Knox Woods, the vice president of government affairs for MedStar Health, said the company and the university were working to identify locations for a new facility.

"If there is a location on campus where a hospital could fit, I don’t understand why that can’t be dorms," Jennifer Altemus, president of the Citizens Association of Georgetown, remarked at the time.

Robert Braunohler, Property Group Partners regional vice president, told the Post that the downtown site in proximity to Georgetown's law school campus makes Capitol Crossing a good fit for other university-related properties.

We think this is a great site for a medical school or hospital facility,” Braunohler told the Post.

But Georgetown spokesperson Stacy Kerr hedged her bets, telling the Post that Capitol Crossing was "one of many sites" throughout the region the school was looking at for a variety of uses.

At last year's public meeting on the campus plan, Commissioner Tom Birch said about such a situation, "To hang our hopes on the hospital being the solution is a sorry picture."

What do you think? Would moving the hospital downtown help with the housing problems in Georgetown? Would you miss having a hospital so close? Speak Out in the comments.

Related Topics: Capitol Crossing, Georgetown University, Georgetown University Hospital, and Medstar

John Murray

9:32 am on Wednesday, May 2, 2012

Do the residents who continually rail against the University realize what an overall overwhelming benefit it is to have the school in the neighborhood? The neighborhood needs to become much more flexible and tolerant towards the institution that has defined the Georgetown area for over 200 years.

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IL

11:49 am on Wednesday, May 2, 2012

As a Georgetowner for over 25 years, I confess that I do not "realize what an overall overwhelming benefit it is to have" GU in the neighborhood. I find that many at GU (including administrators and students) have convinced themselves that they are the source of Georgetown's vitality, but, beyond some money spent at local shops, GU sadly has little positive impact on the community. It employs few people who live in Georgetown, it rarely invites residents to use its facilities or share in its academic and cultural offerings, and its community outreach is next non-existent (except in the weeks preceding zoning hearings). The negatives are so numerous and widely known that I needn't mention them again. Can you be specific about what the overwhelming benefit might be?

word wyz

9:34 am on Wednesday, May 2, 2012

Works for me, if they'll actually convert the old hospital into dorms.

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John Murray

1:08 pm on Wednesday, May 2, 2012

The economic benefit is far greater than "some money spent at local shops". If each of the approximately 10k students spent $300 a week in neighborhood businesses for 32 weeks of the year that is roughly $100million dollars into the local economy per year. My guess is the number is much higher. Without that money being spent there is no doubt less shops and restaurants in the neighborhood. Furthermore, in retail that can really spiral (areas normally have a robust or nominal retail presence).

I also checked townhouse prices in Georgetown versus Clarendon, on a very quick glance it looks like prices in Georgetown are about $50/square foot higher. If I combine that with what looks to be a rental rates of $1000/month more, assume a capitalization rate of 8times, it appears that all else being equal housing in Georgetown is more expensive in Georgetown than Clarendon because of the ability to buy the properties as rentals to students. In short another economic benefit is higher home values.
Outside of the economic benefits; most of the facilities (join Yates), cultural events (I attended a lecture at the business school last year), churches are available to the community. On a side note, we have used a number of babysitters from the university that have ALL been fantastic.

I am curious to hear your negatives. I hope it is more than loud students.

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Georgetown Resident

4:24 pm on Wednesday, May 2, 2012

John, 

I must note your survey of rental costs is less than scientific. Although I do believe (despite lack of science), Georgetown is pricier, real estate & rental costs are impacted by a variety of factors and causation is difficult to prove. As a renter, I would also note that rents vary throughout Georgetown; anecdotally, they seem to be less expensive the closer you get to campus. Using your logic, we can attribute causation to the University.  

I personally feel a University can be an asset to any area, but think the financial and quality of life benefits/costs are complicated and should be discussed responsibly.

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SAR

2:48 pm on Thursday, May 3, 2012

I would miss the hospital being in the neighborhood.

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Altex Lansing

4:07 pm on Thursday, May 3, 2012

To "John Murray" and others, clearly any semi-serious analysis of the negatives or the positives of GU's presence in the Georgetown neighborhood by supporters or opposers is skewed and lacks any basic research of the data. And nobody has ever suggested for GU to go anywhere, which is simply nonsense.

But why not read what GU itself presented to the Board of Zoning Adjustment (BZA) when they wanted to build on campus, this is on the record:

Mr. Bolan, a real estate and economic consultant hired by GU, projected that 75-80% of approximately 180 student group homes in Burleith and Gergetown wil be converted from rental occupancy to owner occupancy and "On average this conversion from rental status to owner occupied status will be financially very advantageous to the District of Columbia." and that "Our belief is that a stronger and more pronounced single family homeowner occupied neighborhood is likely to increase property values, not decrease them, by the increased desirabily of the community that will result".

That is GU's own expert testifing under oath... It is reasonable to assume that, being an expert and working for GU, he did solid research and if he skewed anything it was in GU's favor. At this point only the ignorants of the fact can possibly argue that having 1,600 students causing the conversion of now more than 250 townhomes into group rental has any advantage for anyone other than GU.

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